Great White Sharks WA - To cull or not to cull - That be the question? - 12 hours Vote Closed - Snapshot
Submitted by Adam Gallash on Wed, 2012-10-17 08:09
Yes
42% (81 votes)
No
58% (112 votes)
Total votes: 193
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carnarvonite
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NO
Definite NO for me
catchalittle
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yes
yes
Nathan
snappermiles
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when you say cull adam
are you talking what the government has proposed with only sharks close to beachs or are you talking a full scale cull?? this is the problem with all the hype at the moment too many people who have no idea what the government had planned are kicking up a fuss!
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Sammy the Salmon
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Tag tag tag. Lots of signal
Tag tag tag. Lots of signal beacons. And sirens everywhere. Simple!
All the money spent on all this other shit, then they say they want to pay fisheries all this money for the culling of sharks that come in close.... Spend it on paying people to tag instead.
Wes F
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Feasible?
Just seen this online
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/15147728/shark-app-alerts-beachgoers/
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snappermiles
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if your on facebook
add shark alarm they give you constant updates of when the shark receivers go off!
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Rob H
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tag tag tag-lots of signal
tag tag tag-lots of signal beacons?
Marvelous if you surf at Trigg beach but what about the rest of WA?
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sea-kem
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I suppose if you got the bulk
I suppose if you got the bulk of metro beaches covered you are 90% of the way to appeasing the massess. Surprised the pollies haven't cottoned on to this.
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Wes F
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More beacons
Not to sure of the range the signal. But if the range is upto !km off shore could put receivers at other locations.
Also raises the question of how far do the controls i.e culling and tagging is extended to. Add more species to the list as danger increases.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14980925/death-penalty-for-sharks/
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Nauti Buoy
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Cull
All of the food chain should be harvested at a similar rate- although some species require special consideration. You can't rape and pillage the rest of the food chain and then protect the Apex predator.
Imagine Africa if they had never killed a Lion or a Tiger yet plundered everything else- There would be a lot of people starting to get eaten.
alfred
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There are tigers in Africa??
There are tigers in Africa??
fishy fingers
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No But
there are tassie devils running round mandurah/pinjarra at the moment!
reece
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As long as they are being
As long as they are being tagged with a shot gun I'm all for a tagging program!
Im not saying we need to wipe them all out but it's obvious that numbers are growing an they are turning to humans for a reliable source of food!
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Adam Gallash
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dunno
Dunno Jeff, I haven't paid any attention to all the hype really. Waters too warm for me to worry about it, but thought I'd put it up as people have asked for a poll.
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reece
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Iv stoped diving an it's got
Iv stoped diving an it's got to be firing to get me out for a surf! I grew up surfing an diving/ fishing in dunsborough and neve saw a white for 25 years. Iv seen 4 had numorus mates boats and diving being hassled an 2 fatal attacks ( bunkers and busselton) in tha last 3 years.
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harro
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Oi recce
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Saulty2
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certainly wont be dipping my toes
into the brinny , nothing wrong with a cull allows new life to re juvinate
kane
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Cull - no
Remove from endangered species list - definitely
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scotto
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They are NOT endangered,
Lets get this straight,
Great white sharks are NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIES, nor have they ever been.
17 odd years ago, they were UNDER THREAT of becoming endangered, and therefore, they were put on a PROTECTED SPECIES list.
Basic maths says that they have recovered remarkably...
Ryan C
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open them to fishing
no to cull but YES to fishing for them!!
Mainey
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fishing for GREAT WHITES ?
would need bludy strong back an arms, I would think, to get one up from down off the bottom @ 8 mile off Busso
and a biggish boat too, not sure I would want to do it in my 4.2mt Stacer cause he (she) could take off and I would be the passenger - or I cut the number 10, as in 10 inch, hook free
Speared a 4'2" Sambo while snorkeling and he towed me for a few hundred mtrs and that was no fun
southcity104
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So say we go for the research card?
and no cull then what research will we do?
The research card is just smoke for "no solution"
All i see is that shark numbers have increased since the commercial shark ban 6 or so years ago. Its obvious Whites are either increasing in wa and or finding safe haven in protected waters.
Im interested to see how this season goes and if they are still as agressive in our local waters.
Sadly i just cant risk doing my evening 430 till 6:00pm crab dives in the sound. Its just miles to risky now.
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uncle
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how many do we
need,what purpose do they serve? yep cull a few
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brenz
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yes for me
yes for me
reece
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Any one that recons we don't
Any one that recons we don't need to cull a few I will gladly take to rotto if they want to dive an catch a few crays! Il even provide the all the dive gear! Cause I'm pretty sure your not going to find me on my usual spots
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damo6230
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No for me
Had more injuries being hit by dumbass drivers when riding my pushie
Let em swim free
Enter at your own risk
Calculated risk
Mainey
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genuine question to all in this arena
" Enter at your own risk - Calculated risk "
How is the "risk" calculated ? ?
I have been diving an see big sharks swiming just 20 mtrs away from me, I had no chance of surviving a shark attack - if the shark wanted to attack me - but it did not, it was not interested in me.
This was at Port Douglas in the area inside the reef where the water would only be 4 or 5 mt deep, over the reef where the water botytom can't even be seen I only ever went once, and that was enough, I would never go back in that side as you just can't see the bottom it's so far down, anything could be down there and you would never know if it came up at you from off the bottom, like you see in the 'movies' and take you out of the water with them, the shock alone would stop your heart beat.
no, when diving I will stay in the shallow water, that way they have to come more or less at me at my level and there is a 2O% chance I will see them first.
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Yes remove the sharks, that
Yes remove the sharks, that come too close to shore
Give them to uni's for research, be better than dissecting the old wobbegong
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Markie
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NOO
cage diving for whites at rotto, yesss haha.
catch and release be fun too
just go get rid of all those fkn whaler sharks takin my fishhh
deepwater
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No for Me
NO as in killing great whites
A big YES for giving the hooks back to the profisherman that would make afue dollars off the meat and the fins ,ever since they took the hooks off of them the skarks have been a problem
Yes we have a shark problem from the top off australia to the bottom of Oz ,i think there is between 15 other breads of shark that also EAT people not just the whites ,where do we stop at which one to kill next ,i live in Exmouth and have seen a white here ,i have never heard of a person eaton by a white but the have been eaton by other sharks ???
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Sails4me
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I agree with Deepwarer
Our fish stocks need to be managed throughout, as stated above by Nauti Buoy, giving the pro's a licence to catch a limited quote will go along way to resolving the this and other issues.
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MattMiller
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Yep
a controlled cull of the biggest specimens, say 10 individuals 5m+ over a 12month period then Tag any others they come across and pile a heap more money into research.
If that stops the attacks then leave it there. Further attacks cull another 10.
sea-kem
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It's a no for me. Here's
It's a no for me. Here's another angle are they worth anything commercially? Meat, fins etc. If so then why not a quota?
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carnarvonite
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Worth
The meat is going to be worth just about bugger all because it will be that tough and full of mercury so would go for meat meal or fertiliser.
The fins are a different matter, not sure of the price nowadays but good fin over 20inches long was worth something around $240 a kg wet in 2000 and on average for a 4 metre plus sharks dorsal and pectorals would go near 3kg each with the base of the tail and strip another 1 kg plus the other small fins adding up to around $2500-$2700
Jaws if complete and no broken teeth you are looking at $10.000 for a 4 metre plus pointer.
sea-kem
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So it's a viable option then.
So it's a viable option then. Makes too much sense I suppose to implement, Gov would never go for it.
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carnarvonite
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Greenies
The greenies would be heard screaming in Sydney because it amounts to finning, you are in effect killing it and not eating it, just using the valuable bits, fins and jaws, and tossing the rest away.
Adam Gallash
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snapshot
Have closed the voting - Much more even than today tonight, but still favouring no.
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Buz
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I am actually very suprised
I am actually very suprised there was still more that voted No to culling. I would have though being on a Fishing forum, where most people are probably; Male, 21-55, outdoor enthusiasts, fisherman, snorkellers/divers, surfers/bodyboarders, swimmers etc that there would have been quite a biased towards Yes to culling?
As opposed i am sure if the same poll was done to all the University Marine Science students in W.A there would be an overwhelming No to culling, of course.
Guess thats why polls that target a random selection of the population/community can probably give a more unbiased view of a populations/communities views on a given subject.
Great to see how a community of fisherman/marine users voted though.
Iceman
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YES
YES - if theyb pose a risk or are located after an attack.
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MetroMako
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Yes for me
If they see you they'll have a go at you for sure
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no for cull
I dont believe in heading out for the big cull sesssion as they put it , but if one is close to the beaches and endagers lives or has attacked and is hanging around put out a set line in case its still around and remove it from possible causing more harm or getting tag as a rogue shark
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Just thought I'd throw this
Just thought I'd throw this up to remind everyone what we're talking about.
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MattMiller
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Umm...
are we talking about Great Whites or Makos Sea-Kem?
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Ummm it's a shark Matt FFS
Ummm it's a shark Matt FFS
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Ganged
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No
Big No.
And i love going to the beach and swimming. Love doing Abalone too.
Culling is not the answer.
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Nope
Nope
The_Wanderer
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Nope from me
Nope from me
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It's a yes from me.
It's a yes from me.
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no fkn way for me its like
no fkn way for me its like saying lets go out and kill the people out there that have killed outher people ,we know thats nt gona happen.
lets get out the stella and test out the drag hahahahahahahaha
meglodon
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it's a no for me
it's a no from me for culling
Codhead
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Yes
Yes from me if they pose a threat.
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keef
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nooooooooooo. avid
nooooooooooo. avid spearfisher too.
limit your catch, dont catch your limit
OLD BANGA
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To kill or not to kill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A definate NO
for me, "BUT" if the government were to allow the taking of these Apex Predators then that should be by Accredited Recreational anglers, size of boat etc etc.
By allowing it to done this way there surely would be a greater spin-off to the industries and community as a whole.
The PRO'S can go to hell.
Zizzle345
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NO
BIG NO FOR ME!
scubafish
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As a person who plays in both
As a person who plays in both the realms of the big fish with teeth above & below the water I would have to say TAG,NOT KILL.I have seen what happens when you spear fish underwater, hence the reason I don’t do it, ever!” and will never” get in the water with someone who is. The way the fish react is natural to them other predators come from nowhere to investigate. I believe the Great Whites you see along the coast have been here before and are just doing what they do naturally, following the whales and waiting for a feed. Respect the ability as Humans to go into the water as fish don’t have the same ability to go on land. There world there rules. .
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marrisy
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cull them.
yes,, cull. there are definatly more around the shore these days.
marrisy
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The mosquito carrying
The mosquito carrying malaria/ ross river e.t.c. are only doing what comes natural to them too.
channy
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Humans are so selfish. It's
Humans are so selfish. It's their planet too. Imagine what would be happening if people weren't here. There wouldn't be any cull or no cull. Just let the sharks do their thing. Pretty sure people are smart enough to know the risks when entering the water.
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I believe
they should tag electronically all big sharks, its working as alarms have gone off in recent weeks.
A big NO from me for culling.
BUT also if one is repeatedly coming into a popular beach menacing people, I would have to say maybe kill it, but this would have to be over several days that shark kept coming in closer and closer to shore.
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MetroMako
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kill kill kill
kill....
rockoe_
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No
No
Joeldownard
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NO
No if you dont understand and appreciate the creatures and risk dont go f**** swimming
the one that got away
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Well Well
http://au.news.yahoo.com/local/wa/a/-/local/15047821/greens-speak-out-against-wa-shark-cull/
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A West Australian government proposal to destroy sharks that come too close to swimmers could breach the federal government's White Shark Recovery Plan, the Greens say.
The Barnett government last week announced it would spend $2 million on a new service to track, catch and destroy sharks in close proximity to beachgoers.
Greens senator Rachel Siewert said she had written to the federal environment minister about the issue.
"The idea of pre-emptively destroying members of a vulnerable species is a poor approach from an ecological point of view, and it is far from clear that this will do anything to prevent attacks," she said.
"In fact, it might give people a false sense of security."
The White Shark Recovery Plan recognises that the great white shark is fully protected in Australian waters.
Ms Siewert said plans to kill sharks that got too close to the WA shore could be in breach of the plan that was made in accordance with the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act.
"It is questionable as to whether killing sharks under the proposed plan would meet the requirement of being 'reasonably necessary' to qualify for an exemption under the EPBC Act," she said.
Ms Siewert said an increased investment in research and non-lethal means of intervention would be a better approach.
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Wes F
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Interesting
Supports the agruement to start tagging and tracking ASAP to determine shark numbers and whether GWS still need to be protected. The alerts will/should be used to protect people entering the water. Possiblly could have other shark species tagged and tracked to verify how many and what species of sharks are interacting with humans.
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A tagged Gw has been setting
A tagged Gw has been setting off the Ocean Reef reciever very regularly over the past few weeks. It set it off a number of times this morning.- Tagged white shark detected at Ocean Reef receiver at 12:04am, 06:26am,06:46am, 07:14am, 07:19am, 07:25am and 07:45am.
How do they decide when a shark is an "imminent threat". When it bites someone in half?
Either way seems it seems wise not to go for a paddle off ocean reef or Mullaloo beach any time soon.
http://www.sharkalarm.com.au/event/420
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A shark has killed a surfer off a beach at coastal Vandenberg US Air Force Base following a summer of shark sightings along California's Central Coast.
Francisco Javier Solorio Jr, 39, died in the attack off the coast of Surf Beach in Lompoc, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department said in a statement.
He was bitten in his upper torso.
Mr Solorio “had a friend who he was surfing with who saw the shark bite or hit the man”, said sheriff's Sergeant Mark A Williams.
“His friend ended up swimming over and pulling him from the water where he received first aid.”
The friend started first aid while another surfer called for help, but Solorio was pronounced dead by paramedics at the scene.
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The Government has called for submissions for research into shark deterrents, with $2 million available for WA projects aimed at protecting beach goers.
Science and Innovation Minister John Day said a Shark Hazard Advisory Research Committee, chaired by WA’s chief scientist Lyn Beazley, would assess the applications.
Mr Day made the announcement at Mullaloo in Perth.
At nearby Ocean Reef, a shark alert beacon had been triggered 19 times since midnight.
According to Surf Life Saving WA a tagged great white shark was detected off Ocean Reef at 11.44pm, 11.55pm, 12.04am, 6.26am, 6.46am, 7.14am, 7.19am, 7.25am, 7.28am, 7.35am, 7.40am, 7.45am, 7.51am, 8.39am, 8.49am, between 11.27am and 11.38am, 11.50am, 12.15pm, 12.34pm and most recently between 1.07pm and 1.25pm.
The City of Joondalup has closed beaches from North Mullaloo to Ocean Reef all day.
The Westpac Lifesaver Rescue Helicopter is patrolling the area.
Yesterday rangers closed the beaches around the Ocean Reef Marina for several hours after a tagged great white was detected.
Beaches 500m either side of the marina were closed twice yesterday.
On Sunday a great white was detected at Ocean Reef and City of Joondalup rangers closed several beaches near the harbour.
The City of Busselton has closed the beach along the Busselton foreshore after a 2.5m shark was spotted 10m offshore east of the Busselton jetty this morning.
Beach 50m either side of the siting has been closed.
Applications for the first round of funding are open now and close on November 21, with Mr Day expecting the first grants could be awarded in December.
Mr Day said the funding hoped innovative research to reduce the risk of shark attacks could be developed faster and hopefully in time for next summer.
He said grants of up to $300,000 over three years would be available to WA-based organisations, including universities, research institutes, industry and not-for-profit organisations.
“We hope there will be additional research into maybe better camouflage suits for surfers and swimmers, better shield devices, better detection mechanisms, improved monitoring of shark activity and maybe some additional repellent mechanisms that are better able to protect the community from shark attacks,” he said.
“One idea that is being trialled at the moment is a camouflage suit, which is essentially striped to better protect surfers and swimmers so they look less like seals so the shark can see the contrast.
“A lot of shark attacks we believe are as a result of sharks thinking that humans are food of course and look rather like seals.
The $2 million is part of a $6.85 million package announced by the State Government last month to improve safety on WA beaches after a spate of fatal shark attacks.
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Money down the gurglar
Stripes on a wetsuit what a joke...pussyfooting around to appease the masses...shotgun pellets be a fair bit cheaper , however finding some middleground what about a modded taser gun that would zap the shit out of them and then see if they come back in close.
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How many people saying no
How many people saying no think nothing of going fishing ,and killing two dhuies and other fish to get there bag limit .also killing Sargent baker and wrasse for bait ,Killing northwest blowies .Sharks are just another fish,but these ones bite back .If people are so against killing gods creatures,maybe you should sell your fishing gear and play golf.I guess you know my answer too the question at hand.
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yep spot on
how far out are these beacons??
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cudbfishn
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Yer but culling is a
Yer but culling is a different to fishing. Were just going to kill them because we can. Im saying NO to a cull and YES to taking them off the endangered list so people can FISH for them!!! And I dont just kill norwest blowies either!!!
Buz
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"How many people saying no
"How many people saying no think nothing of going fishing ,and killing two dhuies and other fish to get there bag limit .also killing Sargent baker and wrasse for bait ,Killing northwest blowies .Sharks are just another fish,but these ones bite back .If people are so against killing gods creatures,maybe you should sell your fishing gear and play golf.I guess you know my answer too the question at hand."
For me its not the fact that you are killing a living animal or not thats the problem, we all do it all the time to other living things. Its more the reason for killing it and what that may or may not achieve and how that sits with persoanl and societies morals and conscience's. Bit like the whole arguement of people not liking the killing of harps seals for fur or dolphins and whales for meat, yet it seems most aussies are all cool with us killing Kangas for meat, because 'There are heaps of them!'.
What you are saying would be a bit like comparing going hunting for rats or rabbits. I'll kill heaps of them if i can because they ae a feral pest and there are millions of them. But i always try to kill them as humanly as i can and never make fun of the acting of killing, even with fish. I also go hunting for roos only to take for meat when i need, never just going out killing Kangas for the fun of it. But that doesnt also mean that i want to go hunting lions, or bears, or other big game predators.
On Dhuis though, I only kill Dhuis to eat them, not because they are a danger to human life. I guess if GW's werent protected, and tasted good and there were as many GW'S around as Dhui's i wouldnt mind having a bite of one :)
Actually i do remember reading somewhere that small GW's taste like small Makos. But i imagine they if they killed a big one nothing other than scientific reasearch would come from the body as i dont thinkthey would be that great eating at that size.
Also i never kill blowies, NWesters or shitty river ones. Even shit fish play a role.
Ticks, mozzies and leeches on the other hand i terminate with extreme prejudice.
But as you say on a taking of life arguement there no difference between one animals life to anothers regardless of what they are. So that would mean theres no difference between taking a shark lifes as a shark taking a humans life.
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I think you've totally missed
I think you've totally missed the point mate. I kill Dhuies wrasse etc to eat and I do it conservitely.The reason I'm against the cull is that it serves man's purpose not the ocean's simple as that. If there is a proven rogue then of course kill it like you would a violent dog, that's a dangerous animal acting out of it's normal natural instinct. Prove to me that there is an over population of sharks (whites) then I would probably change my mind.
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Buz
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No didnt miss the point just
No didnt miss the point just trying to put it in a differn perspective as Paul was basically saying Killing Dhuis is no differnet than Killing a GW as you are still taking an animals life.
But i agree with your view, being against a 'cull', and that if one is proven to be a rogue and can be 100% identified as a man killer, then i dont have a problem with that one being killed. Same as you say as any other wild animal that is 100% identified as a man killer.
Just dont get the whole go out and kill X amount of big ones and that will solve the problem, when really it could be one shark doing it all.
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I was replying to you Buz I
I wasn't replying to you Buz I was replying to Paul G's original comment :)
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Oh right, sorry sea-kem.
Oh right, sorry sea-kem.
chrisp
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Spot on paul..
Spot on paul..
Paul G
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Need to tag a heap of these
Need to tag a heap of these things and as yesterdays shark at ocean reef ,if he keeps turning up close to shore the he should be distroyed as he is a danger to swimmers if it leaves the coast and dosn't come back then leave alone Im not for killing anything that moves .But things need to start happening sooner than latter because more swimmers will be taken in the next year.
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Adam Gallash
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Geez those sharks are bad - dropping out of the sky!
US golf club employees have rescued what is believed to be a young shark that dropped out of the sky and flopped around on the 12th tee.
San Juan Hills Golf Club operations director Melissa McCormack says a course marshal found the leopard shark and brought it to the clubhouse.
It had puncture wounds where it appeared a bird had snagged it from the Pacific Ocean, about eight kilometres away.
They put the approximately 1kg shark into fresh water before somebody remembered it came from the sea, so they got some sea salt from the kitchen and mixed it in.
An employee rushed the shark to the ocean where it was still for a few seconds before twisting around and speeding off.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/shark-falls-from-sky-onto-us-golf-course/story-e6frfkui-1226503668942#ixzz2AM93Orcf
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pale ale
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kane
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Date Joined: 07/12/08
Agree with Paul G
The word cull is quite strong, how about another poll asking if catching and killing great white sharks to recreational fisherman should be legal. They are no longer endangered so why have them as a protected species?????
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Adam Gallash
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29 alerts in one day
The beach closed sign erected by Joondalup rangers yesterday.
An acoustic receiver off Ocean Reef was activated by a tagged great white shark at least 29 times yesterday but the Department of Fisheries will not say whether it is one shark or several predators lurking off the coast.
The shark beacon has been set off more than 60 times since Sunday, forcing several closures of beaches near Ocean Reef and Mullaloo.
There were four activations early this morning, before 7am.
Joondalup mayor Troy Pickard yesterday said the department had a duty to tell the community whether it was one shark and called on the State Government to protect beachgoers.
“If it is the same white shark that is regularly returning to the Ocean Reef area, then it is my belief that this presents a serious risk to human life and the Government needs to eliminate the danger,” Mr Pickard said.
Fisheries believes the level of information it gives is adequate to protect the public but said it would consider whether to release more data.
Last month the State Government gave the Fisheries director-general powers to issue a kill order if a shark posed an “imminent threat” to people.
Fisheries director-general Stuart Smith said repeated confirmed sightings of a single large shark off popular swimming beaches could be deemed an imminent threat if people were able to swim without knowing it was nearby.
But he said before a kill order was issued, efforts would be made to negate the threat by closing beaches, patrolling the waters or shepherding the shark out to sea.
The Conservation Council said a shark was not an imminent threat just because it set off a beacon.
Flavio Piazza was one of about 10 swimmers prepared to get the regular morning swim in at Mullaloo Beach yesterday. Picture: Steve Ferrier/The West Australian
The shark tagging and coastal satellite-linked receivers, which have a 400m detection radius, are part of a research program to monitor the behaviour of great whites off the WA coast.
About 120 sharks have been tagged and each transmitter is unique, so authorities can identify which shark triggers a receiver.
Shark response unit spokesman Tony Cappelluti said the department did not usually provide details about specific sharks, because all tagged sharks were potentially dangerous.
“It would be risky for people to make value judgments about the level of risk based on the size or species of sharks or their behaviour,” he said.
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chris raff
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Transmitters are unique
to individual sharks ...didn't realise that before , therefore it is possible to isolate a problematic shark...ohhh what's that , fisheries won't disclose information regarding whether it's 1 shark or many sharks setting off receivers what sort of bulltish is that
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sea-kem
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From what I've heard over the
From what I've heard over the last couple of days info released is that it is two juvenile Whites setting off the sensors. Seems far from being a 'rogue' oldie.
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Rod P
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Great white sharks are
Great white sharks are different than Dhue's. They are the apex predator in a very vast Ocean Marine system. Kill them off and then see were you'll be?
Its like house renovating. There are some walls that can be removed from the framework but take out the wrong ones (the Great White ones) and you could find it all collapses around your ears.
I honestly can't believe that fisherman could support culling of species like this???
For the record todays surf for me felt no different than any other day..
c42daves
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Are they serious !
Any Fisho worth his weight will let the sharks be !
Sharks have as much right to be there as us !
Killing them on the proviso they " might " attack some one is rediculous. Cars kill more people than the poor shark.
Seriously ! Lets all wrap these scared shark killers up in cotton wool and make their pathetic world free of nasties of all kinds !
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Oracle
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Date Joined: 22/11/10
lets be smarter than this
I don't get it.
From one side, I see the "let them be", but from the other side, "screw diving this year" is ringing in my ears.
Why can't the goverment issue licences.
Say it costs a boat or individual $2000 to catch and KEEP a GW. Then we can control the "cull" of sharks and also put this money towards research and tagging to sharks. If you have a licence, then you do what you wish. Catch and release, catch and waste, catch and eat/teeth/photo opportunity. Who cares!If you have no licence, then deal with the laws as they stand right now. If you let it go, you need to tag and record it as fisheries does until you get what you are looking for (for me, that big boy!)
More money to fisheries to research, few more tags running around and a few less sharks in the metor area, win, win, win.
squidder
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Date Joined: 03/09/10
Has the local
pool usage No's gone up?????. I bet my bottom dollar it has.
I really think a lot of the posters are very selfish in wanting a Cull.
Take a step backwards, say 15 yrs or so and tally up the attacks by these "APEX" predators, see what you come up with....
There could be a few reasons for these hungry creatures coming too close to shore, cold water streams, food supply being depleted,{they don't just eat WHALES"} and of course there are a lot more people in the water these days whether it be swimming, diving or whatever, it's a risk one takes.
I was east of Esperance, on the land, where there was heaps of Tiger snakes, even under my car at one stage. Did I KILL it???, no, I know the risk every time I go down that way, the same as one when they enter the water.
It's no different than most of us wanting the Super Trawler banned from taking baitfish from our waters because it would no doubt begin to interfere with the food chain, as we do when we go fishing for a feed, just like the shark in question.
More emphasis should be put towards getting rid of all the FERALS from the land.